Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. Its just lazy writing. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. It makes it quite American centric. Sisko on the other hand. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. She is a real girl. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Im glad we are finally seeing it. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? Good for her, and I love the character! You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Mary Wiseman. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. Learning? Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. Even Picard has his own show. By: TrekMovie.com Staff What do you mean? Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? This sounds kind of racist. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Keep up the great work ladies! "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. What a surprise. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Tilly is justannoying. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. Episodes will be. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. Smart doesnt mean competent. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. And thats a healthy outlook. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Stupid decision to bring her back. Let it die. Absolutely. Proceed accordingly. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Body shaming is wrong and immature. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. By being visible on your TV screen? And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Background information. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Where is this? I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? She strikes me as no different than Barkley. And we saw the results of all that. Xanadu? I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Way too many issues. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. Tilly is Trekdom. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . The character. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. Story: With . Youre perfect as you are. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Youre saying she isnt believeable because she sounds like she has a 21st century *accent*? I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). Im not counting on it. Have you ever read those? There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. I want to really like Discovery, I do. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Overcome her issues. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. . During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Just more pandering. Ok, SH didnt invent this. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. I dont think Tilly is ruined. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. She isnt back on Discovery. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. She is relatable and human and wonderful. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. By: TrekMovie.com Staff I LOVE the future! Maybe sociological issues? The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. What? This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? I love Tilly. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. That is definitely not a true statement. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. Come on she looks great. Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. Have to disagree. Unity? The future doesnt have a preferred accent. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board.
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